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proven innocent. there's a suspicion about you. but if you're a police officer, somewhere, somebody decided to give you a gun and a badge, you're innocent until you have a video. otherwise, you're not going to get in trouble. if you think about what that means, you don't have to then think that all police officers are bad. any human system that doesn't have adequate checks and balances and oversight, people are going to start acting worse and worse. that's why you have meat inspectors and building inspectors. you have to have checks and balances and oversight and when you have a system where it seems that just because someone has a badge and a gun, the media, the grand jury the d.a. is going to be believe your side of the story. unless there's a videotape, something is desperately wrong. >> van jones, thank you. thank you. here we go.
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top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin and you're watching cnn. two cold-blooded killers are on the run. police are setting up road blocks dogs are scouring fields but thus far, not a trace of these two men. it's like something we keep seeing out of the movie, like "shawshank redemption." the pair tunnelled their way to freedom leaving behind the makeshift dummies in the beds to make sure guards thought they were sleeping. let me bring in our reporter who is there at the moment. i know one of these men, forgive the graphic nature of my men, but he chopped up his boss. these are evil -- these are killers. what do authorities say about how this happened?
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>> reporter: you're really describing the case of richard matt and the fact that he was able to escape a jail in 1986 the mid-'80s. he had done this before. obviously he did it again. i think given the nature of his crimes there's heavy concerns that both of these individuals are still out there and a heavy threat for the community. some of the details in this case brooke david sweat was convicted of shooting a sheriff's deputy 22 times and his body left in a parking lot. some of the stories now -- the rap sheet that we're taking a closer look at now, you can see how dangerous these individuals are. back here in upstate new york heavy rains and winds that we are seeing the search continues at this hour. we're seeing a very heavy police presence and what is a very small town that really is in the shadow of this huge maximum security prison. but still, i think what i should note here brooke is that life is somewhat back to normal.
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we're seeing people drive to work. this morning we saw school buses heading to campuses. however, they were stopping at some of these checkpoints that were set up throughout the community. any vehicle making its way in or out of the prison complex here in new york is being carefully checked out at this hour, brooke. >> listen a lot of talk about possible help inside outside help. tell me about this female worker who is now being investigated as a potential accomplice. >> reporter: yeah. at least one law enforcement source confirming that authorities here in upstate new york are speaking to her, considering her a possible accomplice. again, this information is just coming out here and is not confirmed by officials. i had an opportunity to speak with a spokesman who said at this point it's too early to confirm that information. again, based on information coming out from our law enforcement source, it seems to indicate that this woman, likely may have helped these two individuals escape. now, to what extent that's
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still a major question here. we do know that these two men had equipment, power tools that were used and somehow made their way out of this maximum security prison brooke. >> polo sandoval in upstate new york thank you. in the last hour i spoke to maino jermaine coleman, a rapper. he said he spent a year at clinton correctional facility when he was a kid. how would you smuggle in power tools especially with all of the cell checks. here it is. >> they cut through two feet of brick and mortar out through a manhole and a lock and change on the other side of the manhole cover. you're thinking of the power tools. >> indeed. >> necessary to cut that. where would you have that in your cell? that's my question. >> there's no place to hide that. this is where it becomes movie-like and it's motion picture. you know this is almost far-fetched because, i mean if somebody had told me this i
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would have never believed it. the fact that i saw this on the news it was like what? >> i'm being serious, where would you hide power tools? >> you couldn't. i encountered female guards but i never felt like they were -- >> i always felt like they had maybe not so much of a pro-inmate kind of attitude. >> really? >> yeah. >> so not easily persuadable? >> no. i was there when i was a child. i don't think i encountered any female officer or any kind of officer like that that would make me feel like they was like that. >> no. >> i've heard of cases where female officers have gotten into romantic relationships with prisoners. you know that's heard about. but i've never heard of anything like they are accomplice to escape. >> joining me now, a man who has
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been involved in a lot of manhunts matthew fog, retired deputy u.s. marshal. >> a female that we were just talking about, a worker is being questioned over her role in this. i mean based upon your own experience here do you think this is an inside job? >> i think so. i mean i think clearly somebody had to know something. when it comes down to the power tools, a lot of times in those prisons, they are able to use the tools but there is supposed to be a real tight check. it's a possibility that in the chaos, maybe somebody brought it in. again, talking to this woman, if the fbi knows something about her that would direct them that would be a great source of information. >> okay. let me just -- let's talk about
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the manhunt. here we are about 25 miles from the canadian border. >> right. >> where are you fanning outlaw enforcement to find them? >> right in that area. you start in that local area where the escape started and you just fan out and you would try to cover that. 20 25 miles is not that far away. clearly if they were gone for several hours before they were noticed, they could have easily made that trip. so again, you've got a real obstacle in front of you. it's not that you can overcome it but the bottom line is you have to make certain that they are looking at everybody that had any contact with these individuals. i'm sure they are looking at that 100%. and then looking at all of -- any phone calls being made anything in that area i'm sure they are checking right now. pictures, just everything, looking at all kinds of cameras. we've got cameras everywhere now. they are checking everything at this moment. >> but it is such a rarity to have an escape of this magnitude and i'm wondering where you
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would go because you think about that immediate area. i mean maybe i head to a train station or airport but would you go somewhere familiar to you, someone may be waiting for you, clothes, helping you with a new appearance? >> if you look at these two guys you could easily fit in. i looked air their faces and structures. those guys could fit in. i mean it's not that hard. say you had somebody -- a black person escape from that location it would be hard for them to fit into those areas. these two guys could fit in and i'm sure somebody helped them from the outside which most likely they've got somebody that assisted them and especially with the one guy, knowing that he had an escape record in the past he knows all of the ins and outs of what to do when you escape. if he got away before and they caught him, trust me he probably did most of the detailing of what they were going to do once they got out of here. >> i'm also thinking about the victims' families. i was reading a quote from the brother of sweat's victim saying
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the escape has turned his world, quote, upside down all over again. >> right. >> i mean what is this like for them? >> well it's going to be very trying for them. you can best believe, these guys are not trying to commit any more crimes. >> you don't think so? look at their rap sheets. >> i think they are just trying to get away. most of the time that we would track these guys that escaped out of prison most of the time they were just trying to stay free and get themselves seated into just into oblivion. not to say that many years later, they are busy -- they might commit some crimes in trying to get away take somebody's vehicle. you don't hear about that right now. they were very savvy in what they were doing. they understood that any move they make can bring some attention to their identity. right now they are very savvy in making certain -- and i would say they've even split up because -- >> you think so? >> yes. that's one of the standard operating procedures of most escapes, when you get outside,
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you split up. everybody goes their way. we tracked down bernard welch who killed a doctor a major case in the '80s. this guy escaped in chicago. all kinds of news and attention on it. the first thing they did when they got out there is they separated. in these cases, you can guarantee they've separated almost. >> $100,000 bounty on each of their heads, $50,000 for anyone helping find them. matthew fogg thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next pool party melee here. tensions at this dallas suburb after an ugly confrontation with the police. the father of one of the teens involved speaking out about what happened and why he is furious. also terror takedown. our first look at what happened in boston as police shoot and kill a terror suspect who they say charged them with a knife. and a major development
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. just a couple of hours ago, we got a look at the deadly confrontation between boston police the fbi and a terror suspect. this is video that was released. it's obviously very very grainy. tough to make out what is happening. we've spotlighted the suspect and usaamah rahim was being tracked and was about to commit acts of terror. he held a large knife and lunged at them. in just a short period of time rahim was shot and killed. bass ston police boston police say the entire incident unravelled very quickly. cnn national security adviser is
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here and part of the joint terrorism task force, once served as massachusetts governor homeland community adviser. glad to see you in person. >> thank you. >> it's tough to make out what you're seeing in the video. how do you interpret it? >> you can make out that there was an altercation that rahim was not running away. >> the whole idea of being shot in the back -- >> right. that's important. because you don't want this to become a police brutality case. >> right. >> what you can't tell at this stage, is there is no audio. so you don't know what is being said and you don't know what happened at the point that it was decided to use force. there will be an internal investigation that will not involve the boston police. >> okay. >> that's important. it may be that the use of force was justified and that there's no cases in terms of whether it
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was appropriate for the law enforcement to use deadly force. that's going to be independent of what the boston police are doing right now. >> okay. i wanted to read this just because i got this statement from the suspect's family from the rahim family. the video does not show mr. rahim plotting scheming or attacking the police officers. it shows rahim walking to a bus stop on the way to work. the public would have seen mr. rahim casually strolled towards the bus stop. >> they are going to debate the narrative of what actually happened and people just need to separate. there are two separate issues. one is was rahim a lawful focus of the jttf in terms of was there enough on him? >> they've been looking at him two years, 24/7. >> i've seen a lot of weak affidavits. >> yeah. >> they've got a lot on him in terms of the wiretap. the separate issue which the family is going to make which is even if he was planning a
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terrorist attack that was no justification to kill him. use of force is contextual. if the police and fbi felt that this was someone who is going to do a terrorist attack possibly on a bus -- so we don't know where he was going to do it. >> or law enforcement -- >> they are going to focus on whether what's called good faith perception of threat. that's the standard. is it in good faith? that's the case that they are going to make. and so the family is clearly litigating this now publicly to say, okay he may have had the knife, he may have had these wiretaps on him showing that he was going to plan something back he still should not be dead. i have to say, just looking at it contextually they have a strong -- the boston police have a strong good faith argument that this was at least their sense of danger as law enforcement was justified. >> okay. juliette thank you very much. >> thank you. next here on cnn, some heart surgeries for babies are on hold
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a violent confrontation between teenagers and police sparking outrage. a protest is planned in the next couple of hours. in a video, an officer is shown throwing a teenage girl down on the ground -- she's in a bikini here -- down on the sidewalk that turns into the grassy area. he's seen pointing his gun at other teens. officers have been called to this community pool after reports of unruly teenagers.
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watch for yourself. >> i told you, stay! get on the ground! [ bleep ]. >> in the grass! >> [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> keep running your mouth! >> call my mama! [ screaming ] >> call my mama! call my mama! >> excuse me sir, i don't
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believe you need to do that. >> i'm on the ground! >> what is he doing to her? >> [ bleep ]. >> adrian! >> i'm going to tell you one more time -- >> [ bleep ]. >> adrian! >> adrian! >> [ bleep ]. >> i should point out, what happened before and after this video was taken, that's still unclear. the mckinley police department has not identified the officer but have placed him on
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administrative leave and they call the video troubling. a father of one of the girls spoke about how she's doing. >> she's masking it. she's trying to conceal it. she was with me all day and didn't want to share it with me. she knew if she brought it up i would be down here climbing. so now that i know -- and she's upset. it's out there now. she's upset. >> she's not the one that was thrown to the ground? >> no. she's the one that was trying to rescue the one. >> let's have a conversation. a member of the ferguson commission is joining me served on the white house task force and retired nypd police detective. thank you so much for being here. harry, first to you, from a law enforcement perspective, listen we don't know how this whole thing started but when you see an officer pulling a gun on teenagers and bearing down on this young woman who is clearly unarmed because she's in a
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bikini knees on her back is this an appropriate response? >> this is clear that the officer is totally out of control in this situation. we have several officers on the scene and he's the only one running around like a mad man here. as far as drawing his weapon i didn't see any reason for the officer to draw his weapon at all. although i can't read his mind and see what kind of a threat he was perceiving at the time. from my view of this video, i don't see any reason why that officer should have pulled a weapon. >> britney, what do you see here? >> well i see an incredibly traumatic experience for a number of young children and i certainly see a response that is not commensurate with the issue. we've been seeing reports of students trespassing or young people were not where they were supposed to be. whether any of that is true is not the point. the fact of the matter is even if young people were trespassing, the response should never, ever be an assault on a
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14-year-old girl. i think what we see is something that we need to see and make sure is known and this officer needs to be brought to justice. >> harry, to you. again, we don't know how this whole thing started. there is still a lot of gaps here connecting the dots. there are a lot of rumors about how this started. again, it seems extreme. do you feel that the officer should potentially be fired? >> i mean that's a possibility. i can't make a decision for the police department there. that's something to definitely look at drawing a weapon on young people like that i don't perceive a threat. he might have. that's another story. i would have went about this a whole different way. >> how? >> when you respond to a situation like this you talk to the complainant and find out what is going on. you see a lot of youths hanging out and playing games and creating a disturbance, a lot of youths do that.
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you know black, white hispanic they all do that when they get together. it's a pool party or something like that. find out who was involved in the fight and go after the young people. at the same time go over to the kids and say, kids this party is over. let's go. be on your way, please. that would have been the best approach. >> our correspondent in the last hour talked to a bunch of young people who were white and young people who were black. they are saying this wasn't race-based but he did talk to this young woman who lives in the neighborhood. allen, let's roll that sound. >> i want everyone to know that that police officer, along with everyone else they were completely in the right in protecting everyone. he was not out of line. i completely support him drawing his weapon or a taser or whatever it was that he did pull because he was being attacked from behind. i believe that if your life is threatened that you have every right to pull a gun.
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he probably didn't intend on using it. i feel horrible for mckinney p.d. and the backlash that they are getting for this. they are here to protect and serve and they were doing their jobs. i think he deserves a medal for what he did. those kids were taunting them and cursing them out, have no respect for authority and as soon as their parents got here they didn't even care one bit about how they were treating the officers and why they got into that situation. >> brittany i want to you respond to that about how she thinks the officer deserves a medal and you, too, say everyone's anger is justified here. >> so i think -- >> to brittany. >> i think what's really important to remember is these are children. if you cannot look at a child and see yourself or your own children you have no business being in a position of authority in a community, especially one that wears a badge and can weildield
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a gun. i've continued to hear perceptions like that quite frequently but you see a young girl walking away and being dragged back to the grass and when i see an african-american woman with braids in her hair, i see myself and my cousins and children i work with quite frequently. there was nothing that those children did to deserve that kind of response and that blatant of a response on their lives. >> harry, if you see an officer who is angtingcting entirely proportionately to the way he should be is it your responsibility to pull that officer back? >> sure. i would do that. you can see when that officer pulled his gun and started chasing those kids the other two officers came near him. i think one of the officers said to him, hey, listen put your gun back into your holster. >> i wondered. >> i think that's probably what was happening. i'm not sure. you can see -- let me state, a lot of the officers are clear thinking and level-headed in what they are doing except for
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this one officer. i don't know what the catalyst is for this one officer to act crazy on the scene was. i don't think it's a racial thing, though. brooke i'm not sure if this is a racial thing. there's no way we can actually say that. >> go ahead, brittany, final word. >> i think it's important that we have to have a systemic conversation about policing in this country. yes, this is one video and one officer but in san antonio, 7% of the population is african-american and 44% of the victims of police homicide. so what we know is that those kids were scared for a reason and that police not just in texas but all over the country, need to be held accountable for their actions. >> that's something you're not mentioning. a justified shooting in san antonio. >> certainly. >> it is primarily white. but, no i understand. i understand both of your perspectives. again, this officer is on administrative leave. they are investigating. we'll see what happens. there are a lot of dots that need to be connected. brittany and harry, thank you very much. next a huge development
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a south florida hospital says it's suspending elective open heart surgery on children and will conduct a full review of its program but what is significant is this. this decision comes after a cnn investigation calculated the hospital's program had a mortality rate for open heart surgeries three times higher than the national average. let me bring in our cnn medical correspondent elizabeth cohen with more on this major
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announcement. i remember when you were talking about this hospital way back in the day. who conducts the review here? >> the hospital conducts the review. they are calling it an internal review that will use some external experts. they haven't been specific about that and who the internal people are going to be who the external people are going to be. they haven't said how long it's going to take them to do this review but they are saying no more elective surgeries or pediatric heart surgeries until they are done with it. >> what are the families saying? >> the families are saying that they are glad. one woman who lost her 10-month-old daughter after having heart surgery there she was just sobbing on the phone with me. she wanted her daughter's life to mean something and they have now said no to elective surgeries. she paused and said what do they mean by elective surgeries? there's no really strong definition of elective. there's concern among the parents that i've talked to that
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there's going to be some -- that that word may be in the eye of the beholder and are hoping that the hospital truly, truly does stop doing these surgeries. >> stay on it because i know you and your medical crew will. elizabeth cohen thank you. next a woman is about to make a big statement on the military's transgender's policy. she served for 34 years and only transitioned from a man to a woman after she retired. she will join me live to tell her incredible story and how she's taking a story tomorrow of all places, at the pentagon. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing humira for more than 10 years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contrubutes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections,
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one of president obama's answer at the g-7 summit is raising eyebrows today taking place in germany. president obama met with iraq's prime minister following that meeting the president gave an honest assessment of efforts to defeat isis. >> we don't yet have a complete strategy because it requires commitments on the part of the iraqis as well. the political agenda of inclusion remains as important as the military fight that's out there. >> much more on that coming up on "the lead" with jake tapper. let's talk about this. the military uniform represents the brave men and women serving in the united states armed services. one veteran intends to make sure it also represents the brave transgender men and women who have dedicated their lives to serve. the highest ranking transgender veteran will walk into the pentagon tomorrow and will
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become the first woman to wear a u.s. armed forces infantry uniform anywhere, let alone the halls of the pentagon because women are not allowed to serve in the infantry. but tomorrow the colonel will use this uniform to serve as a testament to the 15,000 transgender people serving in the military. and this isn't the oem ground-breaking moment. the air force is easing its policy against transgender troop members. so the colonel is joining me now from washington, d.c., and it's a pleasure to have you here. >> good to be with you, brooke. >> i want to ask about the pentagon in a moment but, first, the word that kept popping up to me about you is authentic, as in how you describe yourself as a woman now as your authentic self. in all of those 34 years as an infantry soldier, can you explain moments when you didn't feel authentic?
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>> brooke you're cutting out a little bit. i think you wanted me to address how i felt during the 34 years as a soldier? >> yes, and how you didn't feel like your authentic self. >> yes. well it was hard. it was very difficult being in the infantry is hard enough the way it is. but i was living the army values and part of that requires putting the organization ahead of your personal interests and that's what i did. as an infantry company commander, i knew the importance of taking care of my shoulders and making life as easy as possible for them. i often look back at it and wonder how much better a person an nco and officer i could have been had i been allowed to transition and be authentic while serving. >> did any men have any idea or treat you differently those 34 years? >> again, i think you asked me if i was treated any
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differently? is that what you asked me? >> yes. sorry about the lackluster technology at the moment. >> yes. i don't think i was treated any differently. i had deeply suppressed this for decades in order to be the best person i could at my job. >> as we mentioned, the army infantry doesn't yet alone women but tomorrow at this pride event you'll be wearing a female army service uniform with your infantry gold cross rifle insignia. no one has ever done that before. >> correct. this is unique. and the reason for that being is that the army has only just begun changing gender markers on discharge certificates. so i received an updated dd-214 a couple of months ago that reads sheri sko wowwowski infantry
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and i'll be dressed appropriately to align with my gender and will be displaying the insignia and colors. >> for us civilians, sheri, can you explain the significance of a uniform? >> oh gosh. a uniform is really what it's all about. it's the embodiment of the organization of the person of the team of the army. it's such a proud thing. folks who have served in uniform for as many years as i have often look for opportunities to wear their uniform at special events during retirement and for the last ten years i couldn't do that but now i can. >> let's talk about current policy. i know just last thursday the air force announced policy changes that will make it more difficult to discharge transgender troops what happened with the army in march,
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when do you think trans men and women will be able to serve openly? >> well i hope extremely soon. i think the d.o.d. leadership really wants the department to be an equal opportunity employer and i applaud the inroads that have been made by both the air force and the army. but the policy is being applied inconsistently across the services. so we need some standardization and clarification of the current policy and we need to put an end to the turmoil that we're going through because of the 15,000 plus transgender soldier/sailors/airmen/marines. >> i had read that you hoped to transition and blend into society but you're here on cnn and having a national conversation with me. this is not exactly blending sheri. why did you choose to become
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such an advocate? >> good question. there was an event that happened. i transitioned seven, eight years ago and was immediately fired from my job as a government contractor as a lead at ft. belvoir. subsequently went on to serve 2 1/2 years in the pentagon which beautiful environment, environment that many people would think was very conservative but my experience there was very professional. it was entirely positive. we can do that on the civilian side we can do that on the military side as well. >> colonel sherri swokowski, thank you for your 24 years of service. >> thank you, brock. you're very welcome coming on the search is on for the two esclapd killers. we'll have the latest coming up. also a sneak peek of the tv event you do not want to mitt the '70s quiz show is tonight,
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cnn is hitching a ride in a '70s time machine, heading back to the '70s, the decade of watergate, the first "godfather" movie, the sex pistols. whether you were alive our not, six months of my life, you should check eccheck it out, and the quiz show that pits anchor over anchor. here's a peek. >> so it's richard quest, me you, brooke baldwin, alison camerota and who else? >> bill ware. >> should we start the --
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>> here's the thing about al allison. she was on the winning team. >> you weren't. ♪ saturday in the park ♪ >> i'm not going to since with you. >> jeff berman since he won jeopardy he's insufferable. >> john berman. >> massachusetts. >> that is correct. >> the other team is baldwin and quest. >> i hope he's going to be wearing a white polyester suit. >> he's a foreigner. >> remember punk rock started in the '70s in the uk. she's a kid. >> oh, i was part of the '70s. bring it. >> bring it on. >> bring it. >> yes! >> that may be some of the most fun i've had in my eight years at cnn. >> it is. we were e-mailing and i said john that was fun. he said yeah it was really fun. i said that people get to see
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that we all really like each other. >> the secret is out of the bag. we actually really do. i was thinking if i was going to have you on, in your wheelhouse you loved some of the music and tv shows. you also think of the theme songs, which is so emblematic. take a look down memory lane ♪ moving on up to the east side ♪ ♪ to a deluxe apartment in the sky ♪ ♪ we're gonna do it ♪ ♪ give us any chance ♪ ♪ we'll take it ♪ ♪ read us any rule ♪ ♪ all day today i've had, that that. >> i was so in love with farah fawcett. >> a smoke show. >> all of the theme songs, but here is the theme. i think that i was at a slight advantage. i think anderson -- >> because you are one of the more mature in the group? >> yes, anderson and i are
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almost exactly a year apart. i'm a year older than him. >> you've done well. >> yeah. lots of botox. no i'm kidding. we lived that. studying all of this stuff, about gas lines -- this is our study book. >> they gave us "new york times," time of the '70s, which is phenomenal book by the way, and this entire packet. we8 all had our shows to do but it's not in the study guise. imagine the presidential one -- i cannot get that. this was like recall for me. some of the details i couldn't remember because i was young in the '70s, but because of the what happened in the '80s and '90s mea memory is a little foggy from that. i was in college. >> we don't know what you mean. >> things happening. >> can we talk about the presidential trivia and how you needed a little redemption? >> yes, that was mostly cuomo. >> cuomo brought you down. >> an overgrown frat boy that kept hitting the buzzer, and he
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would shout out the right answer so i do blame it on chris cuomo. >> so what do you do you team up with summer celebrity jeopardy winner john berman. >> who is very good. >> who taught me how to buzz. he's very all about this finger not this finger. >> the index finger and faster than everyone else. there were a couple times you buzzed in. >> i was locked out. so i watched this from my hotel room john berman on celebrity jeopardy when i was covering the am track train. >> he's mao hind men smart. >> it's different when there's a timer. >> yeah. please watch tonight with us. i have to pop out of town i have to take an early train -- why are you hiding? >> because. did you win? are you going to win -- >> don't, don't -- zip it.
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we can't say. i think brooke did well. >> i'm proud of my first appian. >> don lemon, thank you so much. >> you know who remembers nothing about the '70s? that guy. [ laughter ] >> we have lost him. that does it for me. i remember everything. boom. >> buy. >> "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. two deappraised mufrders drill and claw their way out of prison. they are right now on the run. i'm jake tapper this is "the lead." the national lead. the rap sheets are long and bloody. one kidnapped, killed and chopped his boss in pieces. and the other ran over -- also a pool party washed out by chaos. a police officers caught on tape shoving one girl and unholstering his gun before